Warlocks

[Grevann]

Read this (http://elitistjerks.com/f80/t53164-pve_raiding_compendium_v3_1_a/) first, then go read this (http://elitistjerks.com/f80/t48311-simulationcraft_post_3_1_specs/).

[Grevann]

Some stuff that other threads reminded me of:

Hit Cap: 13% (342 rating) if you have Draenei & Misery/IFF. Can be lowered more if you have the +hit talents.

Mods: The one I rely on the most is Quartz. It's a casting bar mod, with a spark for the GCD and coloring for your latency. After that it's DoTimer, although I disable most of the non-timer options. I also use: Omen, Pitbull Unit Frames, Eavesdrop, Recount, and MikScrollingBattleText (which is like SCT but with more options.) Plus a bunch of others that don't have anything to do with combat.

[Grevann]

:)

[Aareba]

tested 40/31 on a test dummy since my character decided to get over there finally. Without glyphs I was putting up some pretty crazy numbers, and the new conflag is sexy. I was just messing around following my rotation and a 17k popped up. New conflag = awesome fun

[Lemmiwinks]

http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11935-EventHorizon.html

[Grevann]

tested 40/31 on a test dummy since my character decided to get over there finally. Without glyphs I was putting up some pretty crazy numbers, and the new conflag is sexy. I was just messing around following my rotation and a 17k popped up. New conflag = awesome fun

Yeah, it sims with a max crit of 20k+. It's pretty unreal, that's why 0/40/31 is currently coming out on top. It's a shame that the Immo Glyph still doesn't stack, but I've read that would make for 30k+ crits.

[Grevann]

Updated.

Conflag is OP, and will likely get nerfed.

Also huge threat burst to start the fight, blame the devs.

[Aareba]

Lots of debate on the forums about what is better glyph of imp or immolate both do pretty much the same damage as I see it. One of us should prolly have a demo spec for LOL buffs, and maybe affliction for the rest for fights that need us to heal ourselves.

[Grevann]

Lots of debate on the forums about what is better glyph of imp or immolate both do pretty much the same damage as I see it. One of us should prolly have a demo spec for LOL buffs, and maybe affliction for the rest for fights that need us to heal ourselves.

Not so much. Any spec with Conflag has to run the Immolate glyph (because it adds to both spells). And, of course, the Conflag Glyph.

Every spec wants the Life Tap glyph.

If you check the simcraft thread, not a single spec uses the Imp glyph. Most of the "debate" comes from people that haven't read the whole thread.

That buff is actually pretty good. We want to have a demo lock in every raid, as it buffs everyone and lets the elemental shaman use his dps totem instead.

[Aareba]

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/16418052472-conflagrate-damage-reduction.html
Conflag nerf, time to go affliction or demo!

[alphonsse]

For those of you who use Event Horizon to track your dots/cooldowns, I figured out how to add a bar to it to track the glyph of life tap buff.

Just add this code to config.lua in the EventHorizon_Warlock folder:

--Glyph of Life Tap
self:NewSpell({
spellID = 63321,
playerbuff = true,
})

EDIT: removed the "cast=true" line, this fixes the bar display problem.

[Aareba]

that is sexy going to need to check that out.

[alphonsse]

Deep destro is the new top dps spec with the conflag change on ptr, sweet.

[west]

Deep destro is the new top dps spec with the conflag change on ptr, sweet.

Mages everywhere cry about having to scorch again!









:(

[Grevann]

I wouldn't count on that staying. Currently Incinerate, Immolate, and Fire & Brimstone are bugged. If they get them working correctly, destro will be even higher than simcraft shows it (as it doesn't take into account the promised incinerate scaling).

Don't expect the current version to go live.

[Addbacon]

I don't know if the other warlocks will read this, but wtf, I'll post anyway.

I'm going to go demo for the rest of this week and next to see if it benefits the raid. Between imp sb (5% spell crit chance to target) and demonic pact (10% sp for 12s). I think deep demo is still pretty meh in overall dps, but if the utility is there, it might be worth it, considering how shitty T9 is for destruction, it will only improve.

[Grevann]

I don't know if the other warlocks will read this, but wtf, I'll post anyway.

I'm going to go demo for the rest of this week and next to see if it benefits the raid. Between imp sb (5% spell crit chance to target) and demonic pact (10% sp for 12s). I think deep demo is still pretty meh in overall dps, but if the utility is there, it might be worth it, considering how shitty T9 is for destruction, it will only improve.

Deep demo has always been worth having one of, the spell power buff alone drastically outweighs ToWrath. The problem is that your personal dps will suffer, and there are many many people that will point this out, over and over again.

There's a thread on EJ as to how much spellpower you need versus the number of casters in the raid, to equal ToWrath. You should be way, way past that number by now.

[Addbacon]

The point of having 3-4 warlocks putting out replenishment doesn't seem to be very efficient. I could care less about my personal dps, I have not had recount installed for weeks, cause honestly, it doesn't matter, and seems to just turn into a pissing contest. If your helping the raid, and doing everything you can to do so, your doing your job.

Currently I am at 3k sp flat, raid buffed, which is just over 2800 needed to equal wrath totem. Going demo I am sure my sp will be well over 3k, so no worries there. With enough crit, I'm sure the buff will have a decent uptime.

Plus maybe zan and west can be my friend now that they wont have to stack scorch.

[zarabelin]

I don't know if the other warlocks will read this, but wtf, I'll post anyway.

I'm going to go demo for the rest of this week and next to see if it benefits the raid. Between imp sb (5% spell crit chance to target) and demonic pact (10% sp for 12s). I think deep demo is still pretty meh in overall dps, but if the utility is there, it might be worth it, considering how shitty T9 is for destruction, it will only improve.

Here is the calculation in 3.1 which still applies to 3.2 still I think. If you have a balanced ranged group and you have an ele shamen you need 3500 spellpower raid buffed to be greater use to the raid and I think you got that. I absolutely hate the play style.

[Addbacon]

I enjoy it, I can only play so much like a mage before I want to kill myself.

[zarabelin]

I enjoy it, I can only play so much like a mage before I want to kill myself.

I here that lol.... I had a real good time on yogg Monday with aff.

[alphonsse]

bring back 3.0 affliction

[zarabelin]

bring back 3.0 affliction

I hit 7k as that aff god that was sexy...

[Addbacon]

I hope your all going affliction for Yogg. No excuses, suck it up and dust off the 3.0 spec. Yogg 0/1 is stupid with affliction locks. Our dps will almost compare to West and Zan spamming LB on everything that moves.

[zarabelin]

I hope your all going affliction for Yogg. No excuses, suck it up and dust off the 3.0 spec. Yogg 0/1 is stupid with affliction locks. Our dps will almost compare to West and Zan spamming LB on everything that moves.

I am aff everytime we look at yogg =P I love aff much more than destro...

[zarabelin]

I found this interesting from a poster on the wow forums...

"No, really. The Metamorphosis cooldown lines up incredibly well with the above ground phases since the kite phases take up most of the time it's down. Immolation aura is completely OP for killing burrowers. You still have three powerful dots for killing bugs on the run, and the felguard f's them up too. The decimation-execute matches the final dps-race perfectly too. I've never felt a warlock fit more perfectly to a fight before than Meta/Ruin on Anub'arak.

The overpowered raid buffs are just a nice side-effect. "


I am thinking it may be worth it to give it a shot on easy mode and see if it works well if so it may be the new affliction spec for the last boss.

[Addbacon]

I have been building up my demon set a bit, plus West and Zan want me to go back anyway, as I'm sure the other casters wouldn't mind the buff. I plan on doing it again as soon as I get another trophy for my 2 piece. We will see Sunday if I can get my hands on another one.

The prob with immo aura, is they are not bunched up. So you might be able to kill....1, maybe 2 with it. Deci for the final 30% would be nice, but you still have to get to 30%, lets not forget that.

[zarabelin]

I have been building up my demon set a bit, plus West and Zan want me to go back anyway, as I'm sure the other casters wouldn't mind the buff. I plan on doing it again as soon as I get another trophy for my 2 piece. We will see Sunday if I can get my hands on another one.

The prob with immo aura, is they are not bunched up. So you might be able to kill....1, maybe 2 with it. Deci for the final 30% would be nice, but you still have to get to 30%, lets not forget that.

aren't the burrowers the ones that we have up while anub's up? If that's the case I thought we tanked those 2-3 on top of him. And yes I agree defiantly circumstantial. I think he was talking use immo aura while anub was up or did I read that wrong.

[Grio]

You were right with immo aura. The hardest part about anub hardmode is figuring out how to kill the adds AND get the boss to 30% at a maximum of 2 or so down phases. The burrows are tanked either on top of or right next to anub and in videos I've seen, there's always at least one demo lock in demon form just sitting there throwing damage out. Most of the guilds that have done it so far use 3-4 FoK rogues for interupts and aoe damage in conjunction with FFB mages with LB + blizzard and DK's for diseases. Pallies have consecration, boomkins dot and hurricane, and hunters are generally just single target dps on the boss once you have the aoe down.

[Addbacon]

I don't have a problem with meta standing on Anub and unloading AOE. With procs, I will have to napkin math to figure out of rain of fire is worth it, or if I should just do what I have been doing in 10s for the past 2 weeks, and that is drop most of my incin spam, using backlash for immolate, chaos and 1 incinerate, then back to sod. This puts my SOD 4th on dmg for me for the encounter, but is required to burn the adds if cleave dmg isn't high enough.

My cast sequence for the fight is somewhat like this.

Life Tap
COE and Corruption on the way in
Immolate
Chaos Bolt
Conflag
Incinerate spam

When adds pop focus on Anub
SoC
Refresh immolate CB and conflags using backlash to keep immolate and CB on cooldown with 1 incinerate in there.
SoC spamfest till they go down.


When I pop meta; just use immoaura, repeat above. If the math turns out that RoF is worth it with agony (to proc molten core) on all 3 (anub and 2 adds) then I might RoF. We will see when I get another trophy, maybe I can convince Rasp to default one to me to help out the casting community <3.

[zarabelin]

I don't have a problem with meta standing on Anub and unloading AOE. With procs, I will have to napkin math to figure out of rain of fire is worth it, or if I should just do what I have been doing in 10s for the past 2 weeks, and that is drop most of my incin spam, using backlash for immolate, chaos and 1 incinerate, then back to sod. This puts my SOD 4th on dmg for me for the encounter, but is required to burn the adds if cleave dmg isn't high enough.

My cast sequence for the fight is somewhat like this.

Life Tap
COE and Corruption on the way in
Immolate
Chaos Bolt
Conflag
Incinerate spam

When adds pop focus on Anub
SoC
Refresh immolate CB and conflags using backlash to keep immolate and CB on cooldown with 1 incinerate in there.
SoC spamfest till they go down.


When I pop meta; just use immoaura, repeat above. If the math turns out that RoF is worth it with agony (to proc molten core) on all 3 (anub and 2 adds) then I might RoF. We will see when I get another trophy, maybe I can convince Rasp to default one to me to help out the casting community <3.


I got my 2 pc the other night if you want me to give it a try sometime if you don't get one this week... I'll be on vacation but I'll sure as hell try to passably raid on my laptop we will see.

[Addbacon]

I am now full time demonology for 25s and will be the standard cookie cutter wanna be mage for 10s. After doing some math, it is going to benefit the raid a great deal having 1 demonology warlock.

I will however need one of the other locks to suck it up and pick up imp healthstone. You don't need 7% more stamina so I don't want to hear it. I am blowing through shards with this spec and could use the extra person to drop a soulwell once in awhile.

Who wants to volunteer?

[Addbacon]

I would like to see at least 1 afflic loc for anub. I think they could pull some stupid numbers in PH3, and with imp LT, you won't be a huge burden on the healers if you need mana.

[Addbacon]

On Algalon last night, demonic pact had an 83% uptime, which isn't half bad to start with. The range I saw, and I was keeping a pretty good eye on it was:

Minimum - 355sp Absolute minimum this will add.
Maximum - 512sp Trinket procced, and something else, I was at 5124sp for a few seconds there when demonic pact refreshed.
Average - 385-415sp During most of the fights, this is what it should be adding.

[Addbacon]

Last nights demonic pact uptime results:

Northrend Beasts: 86.3 %
Lord Jaraxxus: 96.6 %
Faction Champions: 79.3 % (Pet died, so there was about 10 seconds with no pet)
Twins: 96.6 %
Anub : 89.3 %

I think its safe to say, as I get used to playing demonology again, the buffs this spec gives the raid are well worth it.

[Miniwheat]

I have Imp. Healthstone in my destro spec, so I can start dropping the wells. Just whisper me if I forget since I'll need to get into the habit now. My secondary is affliction, so I can spec that for Anub and see how that turns out.

[zarabelin]

Last nights demonic pact uptime results:

Northrend Beasts: 86.3 %
Lord Jaraxxus: 96.6 %
Faction Champions: 79.3 % (Pet died, so there was about 10 seconds with no pet)
Twins: 96.6 %
Anub : 89.3 %

I think its safe to say, as I get used to playing demonology again, the buffs this spec gives the raid are well worth it.

Did you see a significant buff with the two peace to your pets damage? I'll be driving home all day tomorrow and will be home prolly around 8:00 with no hiccups.

[zarabelin]

quick yes/no should I go demo in case bacon is away?

Edit: As an off spec that is.

[Addbacon]

I won't be on as much for the rest of this semester, I let my priorities get away from me for a little bit there. Talk with West and do the math. Your shooting for 90+% uptime on DP for it to seem viable. Your SP shouldn't really be an issue, I think raid buffed I am a little over 3400.

[zarabelin]

I won't be on as much for the rest of this semester, I let my priorities get away from me for a little bit there. Talk with West and do the math. Your shooting for 90+% uptime on DP for it to seem viable. Your SP shouldn't really be an issue, I think raid buffed I am a little over 3400.
Raid buffed without demonic knowledge I am right at 3500 with 10 stacks of my trinket.

[Addbacon]

I say see go for it and see what uptimes you can keep for DP. The math has been done, if you can keep ~90% uptime, its worth your dps loss for the raid.

[zarabelin]

any tips on how to keep it up easy also can I tell via recount or do I gotta wait a day for the WWS logs.

[Addbacon]

It's based on your crit, so get crit lol. Just have FG wailin on the guy and hope for the best, maybe bribe the mages to give you FM. He needs to be alive, so have FD ready to get a new one out if you can't keep him up. Keep in mind 2 piece is on your pets ABILITIES, not melee swings, so...yea. Also, use DE whenever its up, but that should be a given.

I think I posted in this thread somewhere my uptimes for TOC fights, they were pretty damn close to 100% considering the circumstances. Keep in mind, with this spec, it is more important than ever, you stay alive. So dying to environmental damage, is not accepted, at all. You will be making healthstones mid fights A LOT. Using health pots, etc. Switching armors to heal, etc. You are the raid utility, when you die, its not just your dps the raid just lost, so...no terrible allowed.

Remember to keep IMP SB up for West and Zan, so lead with that, and your going to want someone else to CoE, at least for the last 30% because you will be using CoA AND corruption to proc MC. If you are the only lock (or lock alive) then you better have CoE up, if not, it needs to be someone else priority because those soulfires are going to be your only hope of beating the tanks on Recount.

For some fights (very few, I can only think of firefighter right now), you will notice Imp is better (something is up with Algalon and DP not proccing, idk). Plus with imp DE increases imp crit by 20% or something silly.

[zarabelin]

If this boomkin works out that we brought in may be no need for coe unless he dies XD. But I here ya seems pretty strait forward. I'll be respecing tonight for tonights raid.

[Lemmiwinks]

If you have a Moonkin he's going to get FM anyway.

[Addbacon]

We haven't had a moonkin for 3 months.

[zarabelin]

raid buffed I figured last night I was giving just over 420 spell power.

[Addbacon]

Get your uptimes higher, 60% is hurtin. Then when I come back I can be wanna be mage easy mode spec =)

[zarabelin]

Yea it was my first time... Gotta work on it.

[Addbacon]

You might want to start thinking about getting some crit stuff, gems, etc. Besides stacking a ton of crit, and keeping him alive, there really isn't anything to "work on".

As the great Ron Popeil says. Set it and Forget it!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KQUoFvHqh3c/SjJANXWt9II/AAAAAAAAANM/nDJHWDHXHhU/s320/e8049851.jpg

[zarabelin]

twins is the one I had the lowest and I wonder if that is because I moved him to the dark twin and forgot to move back so maybe he didn't get as many crits. Northern beasts looked good champions was a little low. We will see.

Edit: oh yeah and I was moving him around a lot on jaraxxis to adds... I think I will leave him on jaraxxis from now on.

[Addbacon]

Yea, his damage is nothing to try and really use, he is best put to use giving out the buff. For twins, when we were using the soak strat, I had him on the target all melee were on, and everyone else for the matter. This way, any procs, totems, auras, etc, he would benefit from. Same with jaraxxus, just leave him on the boss, while everyone else switches, let him keep wailing away. For champs, just stick him on a caster, and let him sit there. If he dies to whirlwind, let him, FD, pull out a new one. Trying to save him, health funnel, etc isn't worth the effort or dps loss, just let him go down if he is going to go down and get a new one out.

[alphonsse]

3 mininute fel dom must make playing that spec actually somewhat bearable

[zarabelin]

Damn I'm not keeping demonic pact up enough to benefit the raid. I think I may go back destro... Don't know yet. I mean about half the fights it is at 80%+ and others it's hardly there I don't like the inconsistency of my felguard's crits. I think I am gonna go back destro.

[Miniwheat]

Based on the numbers I've run for your gear you should be able to keep up DP 99.8% of the time, which essentially means 100% after it goes up at the beginning. Even ignoring any additional crit percentage from gear contribution and innate crit chance, your Felguard has 30% crit from Demonic Tactics, Improved Demonic Tactics, and the 2-piece T9, which should be more than enough to get one crit every 12 secs. I don't know if you're doing anything funky with your felguard, but just stick him on the boss and let him be, and that should take care of the uptime problem. Also keep in mind that on some phased fights (Beasts, Mimiron, etc.) the uptime will be misleading because of the downtime in between phases.

If you want to drop demo and go back to destro I can pick it up, but you would benefit the raid more as our demo, since you have about 300 more SP than I do, and about 3-4% higher crit chance.

[Addbacon]

2 piece means next to jack shit, since it's only on abilities. Every little bit helps, but don't give it a ton of credit.

[zarabelin]

I'll give it some more time then. Just seems 80% is kinda low and then again I forget about the down phases on anube. That could be half of my problem. :p

[zarabelin]

If your lock has 3500 SP when buffed, including the buff from Totem of Wrath, then when DP procs everyone gets 350 SP bonus. However, this is only a gain of 70 SP as 280 is lost from ToW. Also, since the ToW buff has gone from the DP lock (replaced by DP) the amount of SP provided by DP if it is refreshed would be ((3500 - 280) / 10) = 322 (as DP can't buff itself). Therefore by removing the DP buff from themselves with /cancelAura the lock drops back to ToW and DP will refresh for 350 again. The loss in doing this is that the lock will be sitting at 3500 rather than 3570, he would be sacrificing 70 SP from himself to provide 28 SP to everyone else while DP is up. Depending on the raid setup this may or may not be worthwhile.


Quote from elitist jerks. Hrmm should I make a macro saying/cast shadow bolt
/cancel aura Demonic Pact

[Randalsmash]

not sure how the demonic pac thing works but usually /cacelaura would be the first line assuming you proc it by hitting with the shadowbolt.

[zarabelin]

naww my pet proc's it.

[Addbacon]

Bumping lock thread to the top where it belongs.

[Miniwheat]

The reason you do the /cancelaura macro is so that the raid gets more spellpower if you have an Elemental shaman dropping Totem of Wrath. Since the spellpower gain from Demonic Power doesn't take your Demonic Power into account, if you have a Totem of Wrath the whole raid gains 28 spellpower at the cost of the difference between DP and ToW for you.

For example if you have 3500 sp then the whole raid gains 28 sp at the cost of 70 sp for you. I don't know if Azhime is dropping ToW, so look into that before you do that macro.

[zarabelin]

The reason you do the /cancelaura macro is so that the raid gets more spellpower if you have an Elemental shaman dropping Totem of Wrath. Since the spellpower gain from Demonic Power doesn't take your Demonic Power into account, if you have a Totem of Wrath the whole raid gains 28 spellpower at the cost of the difference between DP and ToW for you.

For example if you have 3500 sp then the whole raid gains 28 sp at the cost of 70 sp for you. I don't know if Azhime is dropping ToW, so look into that before you do that macro.

Yup that is why I got the macro and he is seance DP up time is 100%

[zarabelin]

Demonic Pact 105 292.5 98.1 %

Not bad My up time is looking better. Don't look at my personal uptime on johnmalkovic b/c I have a cancleaura maco so that I give 28 more sp b/c of tow.

[zarabelin]

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?sid=1&topicId=20462448196&ST=US-3768260-6fjhcOjjf5zFtcjHSFWK1Mxluu52UN2Cp3r

This is interesting. I have been playing around with it, mostly on anub'arak 25 heroic.

It seems that DP simply WILL NOT proc in the first 10 secs of the fight, regardless of how many FG crits occur. I have seen this happen with and without an elemental shaman with wrath totem.

For a while, I thought it was my Lightweave proc that was bugging it out, but the bug still occurs after I health funnel just before the pull and click off Lightweave.


The bottom line is that I am still seeing the bug and I still cant determine why it is happening. I'll try the divine spirit thing though.

That's what I thought.... Sigh they said they had fixed it b/c in 3.1 it was a divine spirit causing this. Been doing some searching and no one is really sure why.

[zarabelin]

baccon you wanna go demo or destro? or swap between the two every now and again.

[Addbacon]

I want to rock destro for a bit till I get my groove back. Then we can see where to go from there. I didn't mind demon at all, it was more complicated than wanna be mage and I could have fun trying to get some decent dps out of it, but until I get back on my 2 feet, I'll need to be incinerate spam for a bit. Affliction might be decent in 3.3 too, so that's something to consider. I have to do some reading for sure.

[zarabelin]

affliction with imp fellpupy is the best theory craft numbers from what I have seen even over doomguard. Yeah I here ya. Just holler when you wanna hit demo up again so we can swap I love competing in numbers :)

[zarabelin]

There was a post in D&R a while back trying to determine the rules by NPCs choose their targets. They determined that armor was part of it, and warlocks using Fel Armor have some of the lowest armor of any of the classes. (Meaning they get picked to be killed more often than sheer randomness would indicate.)


And I wondered why I always got picked and died. To bad I know that now time to use demon armor.

[zarabelin]

well hell I missed out on using the rolling corruption bug but what it was is when you applied corruption when you had hast and spell power it kept it throughout the fight if you refreshed it with haunt.... Damn well it's fixed now and as for your dps if you did not know about it it should help it because it did not increase properly if you used haunt to refresh corruption.

[zarabelin]

With the rolling corruption fix they instead of keeping the corruption at 18 sec and ticing with haste and keeping the duration at 18 sec haste now effects the duration so you must watch corruption closely when you get heroism or haste trinkets. It may fall off before you want to recast haunt or even before the haunt cd is up.

[Diefje]

what curse does Demo use now? Elements if it's not up, else doom?

[Randalsmash]

yes dief Curse of elements if there isn't a boomkin or Unholy DK if there is Curse of doom. Also i have found that putting up corruption on fights where you are moving alot and don't get to just stand still and chain cast is worth the GCD. My destro numbers aren't amazing yet but still working on some better gear and the fact that the dot on Conflag can crit should make it better pve dps raid buffed if you have a decent crit %. Personally I want to try out a soulfire spam spec just for the lawls of spamming soulfires it might be viable i haven't read much up on it but Affliction right now is pretty crazy dps with current set bonuses.

[Miniwheat]

Deep Demo is actually pretty viable dps now that Decimation got buffed, especially since most (all?) of the fights in Icecrown have adds that you can hit to get the Decimation buff midfight, as well as the lolwut execute ability. Of course the main benefit of that spec is still DP for the raid, but you no longer have to sit at the bottom of the meters while providing a buff to the raid.

[zarabelin]

Deep Demo is actually pretty viable dps now that Decimation got buffed, especially since most (all?) of the fights in Icecrown have adds that you can hit to get the Decimation buff midfight, as well as the lolwut execute ability. Of course the main benefit of that spec is still DP for the raid, but you no longer have to sit at the bottom of the meters while providing a buff to the raid.

true but I still wanna see shamen's totem get buffed so I can roll my fave spec affliction.

[zarabelin]

Because the messed up corruption so bad glyph of quick decay is a dps drop from curse of agony till they get it fixed to the refresh time of corruption to the proper amount because it takes 2 seconds to refresh corruption after haunt lands haunt is on a 8 second cool down with 2 seconds and another 1 second for flight time that's 8 seconds my corruption under eradication lasts 13 seconds but you do not want to wait to cast haunt as that is another dps loss to wait for haunt to come off cool down. I hope they fix this.

[zarabelin]

https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21726255331&sid=1&pageNo=26#505


Shadowbolt is now refreshing corruption w00t!

[zarabelin]

I made some tests on the target-dummy to find out whether the initial crit-rate of your corruption is kept or recalculated like haste is now.
Only self-buffed using [Nevermelting Ice Crystal] and making several tests with corruption only casted once and haunt afterwards until I had at least 100 dot-ticks, recount showed quite clear results:

Without trinket in the beginning I had in the end a crit-rate of approximately 30-32%.
With trinket-activation once before casting the initial corruption I came out with effective crit-rates of 50+%.
Considering the trinket grants 20% crit-rate it's safe to assume, that after the fix to rolling-haste we can now simply exploit crit-rating the very same way as we did with haste before.
At least until the next hotfix.

On a sidenote: Haunt apparently doesn't count as direct-damage source for this trinket. In a normal single-target rotation only my shadowbolts consume the 5 charges, making this trinket even better for affliction.

Seems as if rolling corruption still works with crit w00t hrrmm time to find some good + crit trinkets. The one mentioned above seems to be bis for aff locks.

[zarabelin]

woot


As many of you have suspected, we think rogue damage is too high. We will be making hotfixes to lower the maximum damage output of Assassination and Combat rogues. The Combat nerf will be slight. Both specs should still do just fine on damage meters (assuming skill, gear etc.) but shouldn't be beating out other specs to such a large degree.

Other things on our radar that you might see soon -- none of these are promises and we have no specific changes to announce yet:

* Warlock damage in PvE is a little low.
* Protection warriors have too much utility and damage for PvP. (We don't want to hurt their tanking in PvE of course.)
* We are considering adjusting (not replacing) the Elemental 4 piece Tier 10 set bonus.
* We'll continue to refine and look at the Icecrown weapon procs.
* Other stuff (yes, we've heard your concerns), but these are the big things we are focusing on at this time.


Some of these changes, should we decide to pursue them, can be handled via hotfix and others will be made in an upcoming patch.

We usually don't make such general announcements before we're ready to share the specifics, so we'll see how this works out.

[Addbacon]

I saw that.

[zarabelin]

To get optimum dps out of affliction you want to pre pot wild magic before the pull then casting corruption while that buff plus your nic and your tailoring chant to the cloak is up. At 35% to get the buff from death's embrace on your corruption you must cast seed of corruption to clear corruption then reapply it after popping another wild magic potion.

[zarabelin]

Rotation atm for affliction.

Wild magic > Combat > Shadow bolt > haunt > UA > NMIC > Corr > CoA

That is the starting rotation. The reason you cast UA after haunt is to give haunt to hit the target because it will consume a charge of NMIC if it crit.

[Addbacon]

umm...hope she had a soulstone.

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/02/eric_christensen_accused_of_ki.php

[zarabelin]

http://www.wowhead.com/?profile=20784193

BiS list for 25 man obviously the heroic versions would be BiS in ICC content. There are 1 pare of pants that are better than the crafted I have in this list.

Updated with proper gems.

[Zboy]

why not gem yellow in chest for the socket bonus?

[zarabelin]

I just used the left over gems I am lazy
I'll fix this.

[Zboy]

Haha fair enough looks good though that is a scary amount of haste. I'm assuming that's just BiS for affliction? Could you come up with a demo set by any chance? just curious.

[zarabelin]

Haha fair enough looks good though that is a scary amount of haste. I'm assuming that's just BiS for affliction? Could you come up with a demo set by any chance? just curious.

I will that would be bis for aff and destro :P

[Zboy]

although destro would use heroic reign over NMIC right?

[zarabelin]

yup

[Addbacon]

haste > everything. I stand by this statement.

[zarabelin]

haste > everything. I stand by this statement.

besides hit of corse it is better in t10 by like .3 over spell power

[zarabelin]

http://www.wowhead.com/?profile=20784193

The staff is now bis with the change to haste ran the numbers through sim craft

[zarabelin]

Power auras FTW

https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22050167905&sid=1

[Addbacon]

wow...


Demonology

* Demonic Pact: This effect now has a 45-second duration, up from 12 seconds, and a 20-second internal cooldown.

[Aareba]

Immolate ticks now crit, buffing both specs (demo destro). Interesting to see if destro is on par with affliction. Most likely not, but closer (which is good news, destro=superfun).

[Addbacon]

Aareba noooooo, don't go over to the darkside! Destro = mage wanna be spec, locks love themselves some dots.....However...stupid numbers popping up all over the screen, I'm not going to lie, are to blame for changing my pants often during a raid.

[Zboy]

just a note: i was reading on EJ that the DPET of coa is less than that of soul fire so it's not worth keeping coa up during execute phase but still keep immolate and corruption up especially if you have 4piece bonus.